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In between worlds – on creating cultures of care after birth // OPOKUA BRITTON CAVACO
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In between worlds – on creating cultures of care after birth // OPOKUA BRITTON CAVACO

Blood Mysteries pt. 4

Before Opokua Britton Cavaco became a doula to help support women during pregnancy and birth, she worked as a nurse in palliative care. She says there is something similar about being present when somebody leaves the world and when somebody arrives; they both happen in the liminal space between worlds.

“I often think that when I die, I'll think about all the people I've been next to when they died and when they were born, and that's a beautiful feeling.”

In most cultures, the time after birth is seen as particularly vulnerable for the baby and mother, because the window between the worlds is still open. Special care must be taken to ensure protection and health. For example, the mother is given rest, support, and warm food, and the placenta is cared for in the proper way (often buried). It’s only in our modern culture that it’s expected for mothers to “bounce back” as soon as possible, and for families to manage postpartum on their own, without support.

Opokua says,

“We have a belief that you're supposed to be able to manage by yourself, that asking for support or help is seen as weakness… People are uncomfortable with receiving support, and they are also uncomfortable with offering support, and that’s a very bad combination during the postpartum period.”

She explains that offering support doesn’t have to be complicated:

“You don't have to do anything, you don't have to save anybody, just be there for somebody. You don't have to have the right words. I think you're putting too much focus on yourself, and that's why it becomes hard.”

In the preparation for this episode, I kept thinking about how postpartum culture says so much about our culture in general, and that so many of the things needed after a birth are the same things needed after any big and challenging life-transition: support from an understanding community, nutritious food made with love, and (often) appropriate rituals.

I hope you enjoy the conversation!

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Episode description

The arrival of a new baby entails an opening between the worlds. It’s a liminal in–between space, where life is vulnerable until the baby has fully arrived and the window is safely closed. All over the world, people have developed traditions, rituals and practices to care for the new baby and parents during this special time, but many of those practices are being eroded and forgotten.
The conversation you’re about to hear is not just about the time after birth, but after any challenging transition in life, where we need to be held by those around us. And why is it that we find that so difficult in our culture?
Opokua Britton Cavaco is a doula, nurse and author. She has written books about birth and postpartum culture, and hosts the popular Swedish podcast Okrystat with her sister Asabea.
Opokua’s website
Opokuas book on postpartum culture, co-authored by Maria Borda (in Swedish)

Previous episodes in the Blood Mysteries series:
Pt 1: Embracing our cyclical nature with Jenny Koos
Pt 2: How we honor our nervous systems and cultivate pleasure as a pathway towards health with Kimberly Ann Johnson
Pt 3: Birth as a rite of passage with Kristina Turner

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